Mar 25, 2014 Mercedes comand aps ntg 2.5 secret menu engineering mode - Duration. Comand Navi Update 2014 NTG 2.5 wie es gemacht wird Full HD - Duration: 4:51. Hello, I have an SLK (171) with Comand APS NTG 2.5 with HDD/Navigator/6DVD etc. 1) How can I see what firmware version I have? 2) What is the latest. 'Playing' with Mercedes Comand APS NTG 2.5. At present Telematics update is done only with the help of Mercedes with Star Diagnosis. From the site you can download the service cd for comand ntg 2 without hdd. You can update firmaware etc In the ebay sell the 2 dvds for comand ntg 2.5 (with hdd).
All NTG2 systems have an auxiliary input. Like NTG1, the NTG2 uses proprietary map disks, which although the maps are made by Teleatas and Navteq have to be supplied via Mercedes benz. Mercedes use a coloured flash on their map disk packaging, NTG2 disks have a Blue stripe. Currently the map disks only support 5 digit post codes in the UK.
It is expected that the Vito/Viano will get this system in late 2009. Note that the W209 CLK was never updated to NTG2.5 because it was being replaced by the W207 E class coupe.
After a short period though the system will attempt to read them and if the firmware update needs to be done the message will say 'Maps cannot be updated, refer to MB workshop'. If the firmware is at the right level then you will be prompted as to whether you want to perform the update or not. Had a few queries about checking firmware version on NTG2.5. It has been covered before on another thread but here is a guide. Go in to engineering mode. To do this press Press NAV, then hold down these three buttons: Phone hangup + * + 6. If that doesn't work then try phone hangup + 1 + #.
COMAND NTG4 (NTG4-W204 and NTG4-W212) Comand NTG4 first made its appearence in the W204 C class at lauch around 2007. It was the first Mercedes system to support a fully integrated iPod / USB system called the Media Interface, and Bluetooth telephony within the head unit.
(b) The Bluetooth phone system will not transfer the address book from most phones, and so you need the optional Comfort Phone system and a phone cradle or bluetooth adapter (c) PCMCIA and not USB or SDcard. NTG4 has been replaced by NTG4.5 in W204/W207/W218/W212 and it is possible to replace the system in the W207/W218/W212 certainly for Model Year 2010 onward vehicles. It is not possible to do this in the W204 because the whole dashboard changes. The map updates etc are different for the W204 version (NTG4-W204) to the W212/W207 (NTG4-W212) systems. It is somewhat like a cost reduced NTG3 system.
The model is UCPFv2 and it is based on a processor R8A77701B sh4 RISK 32bit processor and runs Windows mobile CE5 automotive (little endian). The operating system is run from flash memory rather than from hard disk. At present Telematics update is done only with the help of Mercedes with Star Diagnosis. I say 'currently' because the device has an option to upgrade the software however presently is not known how!!!!!
Again the COMAND is made by Bosch, and the Mercedes option code is 352. The units (after an early life software upgrade in 2000) use DX type mapping CDs.
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It has a fixed 7' colour display with 800x480 pixel display. It first became available in late 2011 with the facelfit W204 C class, and the W212 E, W207 E and W212 CLS classes along with the R172 SLK. Mercedes Benz seem to be rolling this COMAND system into all the standard (i.e not S/CL) vehicles and it is now in the W176 A class W246 B class, W166 ML The maps are stored on a hard disk, and althought the map update DVD is available cheaply, a PIN code is needed which can be bought from Mercedes Benz Dealers and specialists like Comand Online.
Go to the page titled Version. You will have a page like the below. The 3rd line HDD Contents shows you the map version, in my case it is V9 which was released April 2013. Dont change anything in engineering mode.
The map updates etc are different for the W204 version (NTG4-W204) to the W212/W207 (NTG4-W212) systems. It is somewhat like a cost reduced NTG3 system. - it is MOST bus based - the display is physically seperate - it has a PCMCIA slot where you can plug in a PCMCIA device (or another with an adapter) full of MP3 music - The map is held on an inernal Hard disk, again updated from DVD - It has a seperate rotary controller like the NTG3. - It has bluetooth telephone support built in, but its not particulary good at downloading the address book properly without the extra comfort-phone option. - It supports the Media Interface - an optional interface to connect iPod (with Video support), USB, or a 3.5mm aux input. (This is Mercedes option code 518) - I beleive it is made by Mitsubishi. COMAND-APS (NTG3) This is the system launched with the current W221 S and W216 CL.
The units (after an early life software upgrade in 2000) use DX type mapping CDs. These devices first appeared on the W210 E class, and then on the W208 C class. These were rectangular units. After that they appeared on the W163 ML (2001), W203 C class, W209 CLK, W463 G class, R230 S class. The last 4 types were curvy units, but the R230 class unit was shaped differently and has more detailed mapping ability. The initial W210 units used discrete wiring to obtain ignition, lights, reversing (backup) and speed signal. They did not support connection to the car's CANbus network and can be identified easily because the telephone keypad does not have letters on it.
When the facelift W210 was released with steering wheel controls then the units connected to the CANbus and required only a discrete speed signal connection and used CANbus network for the other signals mentioned above. The W208 units all used CANBus network, and in fact W210 units can be made to work in the W208 cars. The W163 units, whilst looking like W208 and W210 units have the 4 signals mentioned above wired discretely and have no CANbus connection. The curvey units on the W203 C and W209 CLK are interchangeable, but none of the others are. The W463 G class unit is the same shape but it needs a seperate speed signal.
During the upgrade only the radio works so you can do the upgrade during the course of a journey without being very quite on your trip. Theoretically you can stop the process and continue from where it was left off, but I would not suggest it. The DVD could be stuck and then it would be a very expensive job. The maps come in 2 DVDs. The first is a DVD 9 dual layer, and the other a simple DVD. The price - with a little caution - is about 250 to 300 euros.
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• I have a 2009 CLS with the hard drive version COMAND NTG2.5 ( with built in multi disc changer if this makes a difference). I've just bought the 2012 map update disc set - Version 8 Comand APS - it's from EBay but the whole package looks genuine and the seller has 100% feedback. On the back of the cover it does say a Firmware update is required, which my car probably doesn't have, but I tried the discs anyway. On reading Disc 1 it comes back with 'Disc unreadable' then after a few other seconds it says the Maps could not be updated. Is this the symptoms of not having the firmware update, or are they good but bad fakes?? If this is the symptoms of the need for a firmware update, I'm led to understand that this can ONLY be done by STAR - is this correct, and if so, what are the approx costs? (A standalone Tom Tom is looking more and more favourable.).
Please visit your Mercedes-Benz workshop.' Units manufactured after the third quarter of 2008 have PIN code protection enabled It is believed that if the unit was installed in a different car before the cars VIN is stored inside the unit. So when you put it in a diffrent car then it compares the value in its memory with the VIN of the new car and if it not the same then it gives you this message. You can always go to your MB dealer to as him to unlock it (He has to contact MB HQ to get a special code) however be prepared: MB Dealers are very reluctant to go through this procedure - The theft protection function is available as of May 2009. - The radio is locked when the theft protection has status 'ACTIVE'. - The radio is not locked when the theft protection has status 'NOT ACTIVE'. Some more info on the attached DAS pictures gmatj 11:51 AM.
To do this press Press NAV, then hold down these three buttons: Phone hangup + * + 6 Select SWDL and go the page titled SW Update. You will have a page like the below. The 4th line HW/SW is the line you need to look. If your on the latest firmware the 3rd and 4th sets of numbers will say 09/29. To check map version go back and select Version instead of SWDL.
The screen in the W204 is a 5' less resolution screen. In the W204 the COMAND screen electrically folds up and down, in other vehicles it is fixed. Its main weaknesses are (a) 5 Digit post-code support not 7 digit.
Some other general information can be found here. D=93 A few words about the hard disk The hard drive is 40Gb, Toshiba and the machine refuses to work with larger capacities.
The system has a display which is part of the main dashboard: - and a seperate controller: - I know very little about this system, apart from - it is MOST bus based like the other cars - The display is physically seperate from the audo/navigation electroncis - The map is held on an internal Hard disk - but has to be updated from a DVD. - It has a rotary controller instead of a keypad to control it. - It was the first unit to support a DAB tuner on the MOST bus (option 517) COMAND-APS (NTG2) Mercedes Benz then produced a cost reduced system which it introduced into the W203 C and W209 CLK for the mid 2004 facelift (approx March 2004 production onward) and then was released with the new model A, B, ML, GL and R class vehicles, it is also fitted to the Smart forfour, and the W639 Vito/VIano vehicles. This system put all the components into one double-din height unit, significantly simplifying the wiring. The NTG2 system, however, lost its ability to play DVD and MP3 disks, and of course as there is no seperate navigation drive playing a CD and navigating with a full map requires a CD changer.
The Navigation section (with CD drive) was actually a completely seperate of the COMAND connected to the rest of it by a cable. COMAND 2 has a fibre optic network called D2B (developed by and partially by Philips Electronics NV.
Comand now updated with 2012 Maps and system update Got my system updated today with the 09/29 system update which then allowed the 2012 Map updates to be applied. Before the update I was getting 'disc unreadable, map not updated'. The Merc garage, Milton Road Glasgow, inserted the Map discs as well so I didn't have a chance to actually see what steps it goes through (although I just asked for the Comand update to be done).
A 4Gb partition keeps MP3 files (music register) while another is holding dozens of logs generated during the operation. Also the hard drive keeps the CDDB gracenote database that has the CD titles sold currently on the U.S. Or European market (depends on which maps are loaded).
There have been many variants of the Mercedes COMAND technology, and often the same technology looks different in different vehicles as the front of the stereo changes. The systems so far, in approximate release order, are Comand 2.5, Comand 2.0, Comand 2.0 MOPF (all known as Comand 2), Comand NTG1, NTG2, NTG3, NTG4, NTG2.5 and NTG4.5. Comand NTG5 is beleive to be next in the next version of the S Class and CL, but there is no information on that yet. COMAND Online NTG4.5 Comand NTG4.5 is the latest 'main-stream' Comand system and is known as Comand Online because it can connect to Mercedes Benz online internet services via certain bluetooth mobile phones.
COMAND Online NTG4.5 Comand NTG4.5 is the latest 'main-stream' Comand system and is known as Comand Online because it can connect to Mercedes Benz online internet services via certain bluetooth mobile phones. It has a fixed 7' colour display with 800x480 pixel display. It first became available in late 2011 with the facelfit W204 C class, and the W212 E, W207 E and W212 CLS classes along with the R172 SLK. Mercedes Benz seem to be rolling this COMAND system into all the standard (i.e not S/CL) vehicles and it is now in the W176 A class W246 B class, W166 ML The maps are stored on a hard disk, and althought the map update DVD is available cheaply, a PIN code is needed which can be bought from Mercedes Benz Dealers and specialists like Comand Online. The system supports (optonally) the Media Interface (fully integrated iPod kit), integrated dual-tuner DAB digital radio, Harmon Kardon (option 810) and B&O (opton 811) depending on which model seriels it is integrated in. It also supports Digital TV. It supports 7 digit post codes, and downloadable applications allowing you to use facebook and other similar web sites on the COMAND screen.
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Most parts of the NTG1 system are made by Becker (for European vehicles). However, in the S/CL/SLK/SL it is made by Siemens (and North American systems are made by Siemens).
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It also has an integrated Hard Disk for the Sat Nav map, and music, and a PCMCIA slot for adding music files. It is also the system used in the Mercedes SLS, and was the system supplied in the W212 E class and W207 E class and W218 CLS class Mercedes Benz vehicles, in which a 6' 480x240 resolution sceen was used.
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